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Nov 14, 2022

Why Aren’t Men Becoming Therapists Anymore?

Curt and Katie chat about the lack of male therapists and the decreasing number of male students in the profession. We look at current statistics and reported experiences of men in the field. We also dig into what needs to change to balance gender representation and increase the number of men becoming therapists.    

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In this podcast episode we talk about male therapists

Continuing forward within men’s health month, we are looking at the state of the profession for male therapists.  

Statistics on men in the mental health profession

  • Depending on license type, mental health professionals are between 60-90% female
  • Men and women have fairly equal parity on compensation (especially when looking at similar roles)
  • Men are less likely to seek out these jobs as the wages stagnate, the requirements become more onerous, and due to a lack of male representation and role models

What needs to change to balance gender representation within the mental health field?

“Men typically have privilege in other spaces… And yet I recognize in our field, that's not the case. And so, it's this weird, complex understanding of societal privilege, but not privilege within the field.” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT

  • Understanding the difference between societal privilege versus professional privilege
  • Identifying why the number of men is dramatically decreasing within graduate programs and all stages of licensure
  • The impact of feminism on the conversations about the impact of white men on the field
  • The perception of “male bashing” and the need to nurture male voices within the profession
  • The challenge of identifying when men are being ignored or “soloed out”
  • The problem of stereotyping, ignoring, or isolating male therapists and students
  • Men being automatically pushed into leadership due to mentorship by male faculty and bias toward men as leaders

How do we get more men into the mental health profession?

“If we're identifying that men need to go and get mental health treatment, and there's no men to get it from, this then has the potential for reaching critical failure as a profession in being able to provide services.” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT

  • Reaching critical failure in trying to provide services to men (if men no longer enter the profession)
  • Recruitment strategies for graduate programs
  • Making the profession sustainable for all individuals
  • Pushing back against wage stagnation due to feminization of the profession
  • Looking at retention and commitment for male therapists
  • The importance of representation across the mental health profession

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Clinical Therapist Demographics and Statistics In The US

Number of women vs men in grad programs:

Men’s experiences in the field:

Faculty experiences of teaching male students:

Recruiting men into the field:


Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:

Why Men Don’t Stay in Therapy

On the APA Guidelines for Boys and Men

Why Therapists Quit

Why Therapists Quit part 2

The Return of Why Therapists Quit

Therapy for Executives and Emerging Leaders

Fixing Mental Healthcare in America


Who we are:

Curt Widhalm, LMFT

Curt Widhalm is in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is the cofounder of the Therapy Reimagined conference, an Adjunct Professor at Pepperdine University and CSUN, a former Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, former CFO of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at:

Katie Vernoy, LMFT

Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant supporting leaders, visionaries, executives, and helping professionals to create sustainable careers. Katie, with Curt, has developed workshops and a conference, Therapy Reimagined, to support therapists navigating through the modern challenges of this profession. Katie is also a former President of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at:

A Quick Note:

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Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.

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